The Jesus story - A serious case of plagiarism

hmmm.. Good luck with that "IF" of yours..

have u watched the movie Zeitgeist? it gives a really good explanation on exactly how plagiarized it is

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The only way to prevent a disease is to kill it at the source, the same can be said of all religions

Can anyone show or prove the story of Horus before the New Testament. In other words, where is the "written text" or any other proof that the story of Horus existed prior to the birth of Jesus? Anyone?

There is quite a difference between the story of Horus and Jesus life.. Horus was born of a goddess where Jesus was born of a virgin (human).. There are too many differences to even say that New Testament was plagiarised of his story.. Also the only info we truly have are hieroglyphics which have been proven many times over to be interpreted wrong for many do not know what all the symbols to be correct.. As a study of anthropology I understand the area where there mistakes can be made.. So to say that their is any correlation between the two.. It is quite the fallacy to follow this train of thought.. :)

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I believe their are a lot of honest sincere atheist and agnostic people who are interested in the truth. Truth is something many people desire. When someone doesn't have a deep understanding of spiritual things, it's easy to find many errors and contradictions, especially if that's your motive. I have many answers to many statements that skeptics use as contradictory, errors, and in this case plagiarism. The Bible has many similar stories to earlier published stories, but that doesn't make it guilty of plagiarism. For example, Adam and Eve obviously told their offspring of the Great Fall, and that story has been passed down from generation to generation. Now whomever has the earliest record it would seem as though they were the authors of the original story, whereas in reality they were the first to record it. So when we see a similar story in another culture and language, it doesn't necessarily mean that they plagiarized, it could just be that they decided to record the story later or maybe they had older manuscripts that were destroyed... This concept is applicable to other stories in the Bible. So if you are a believer, don't defer your faith. And if you don't believe or have doubts it's time to regain your faith. Remember faith is the substance of things Hoped for, evidence of things Unseen and without faith it is impossible to please God, and anything that is not faith is sin (Hebrews chpt. 11).

Wow! What a nice response. Thank you.
But mind you, just because the stories are plagiarized doesn't make it bad. A lot of things in life is plagiarized but vastly improved. Like Google plagiarized the idea of a search engine but did it a LOT better.

Well... I don't know much about Christianity but Muslims think Quran is the word of God. Why did God give repeatative stories? Did God revise himself? I thought god was perfect by definition. The Adam and Eve story is a good example here.

So peter the stories are plagarized and according to you as long as they have been improved upon it is ok? Sorry but is this not the infallible word of the christian god? The ultimate book of "TRUTH"? Why on earth would you accept that? How can you dedicate your life to a book that has ripped of other religions and gods? And ultimatley how can you know the bible to be true and accurate when it has blatantly ripped of other cultures but improved up on the tales somewhat?

Plagiarism does not mean it was copied word for word. But the basic ideas are the same with some twists. Adam and Eve were not real. The earth is not 6000 years old and there is not one account of the "miracles" Jesus worked that was written while he was alive. The gospels were written years after a man named Jesus lived. Not only that, but the four "canonical" gospels contradict each other all over.

1 Corinthians 1:18 / 2:14 (NIV)

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

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A great resource, please express your thoughts:

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4875/t/is-there-anything-left-you-can-trust-

Mark Watson stop trying to convince people that don't believe through the Bible it won't work

1. In the time of Cain, Noah, Moses etc... God seemed to be very good at verbal communication with humans. Yet now for thousands of years he hasn't said a word! Is it cause he doesn't care enough about humans anymore to communicate with them, or is he just an ignorant git and he's ignoring the human race as he's found something better to do, or is it cause he never existed in the first place?
2. If God really existed and cared for the human race as much as is claimed, why then does he allow so many to kill and murder in his name and to abuse children while using religion and Gods' name to sanctify the abuse? Again, if he was real and existed then to sit back and allow this to happen in his name means he's one helluva a mother******!
3. The fact that the Bible has been edited, rehashed and many parts omitted to the pleasure of the religious hierarchy, is all the more reason to not take anything in there too seriously - to hold up the bible and say that this is proof that Jesus and God exists is similar to holding up a comic book and saying Spiderman is real.
4. No matter what anyone can say - religion has been and continues to be a massive business controlled by a bunch of elitists for their own gains and to cover/hide their crimes that has cost the lives of countless millions in our history and continues to do so.
5. The Vatican alone has so many documents that they will not release, probably as it disproves God was a misinterpretation of some events thousands of years ago - Vatican have even agreed that aliens exist! Now, if aliens visited earth thousands of years ago in a ship that came down from the heavens with a roar of thunder and fire, with technology well beyond the comprehension of humankind at that time ("Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - Arthur C. Clarke), wouldn't the people at that time think these aliens were "Gods"?

Here's my take on this one. I've long seen the comparison of Horus' and Jesus' story concluded in a plagiarism, so I took the time to skim the both entry and check their similarities and difference. If the accounts are true, and Horus' story is older, then you know what the result is.

But it bothers me that no one bat's an eye about it. What if scholars who studies the hieroglyphs of Horus just lets it go.
What if the point of Horus' story is for the spook, coz if you read everything in the bible its just a mesh of moral and spook stories.

In my conclusion, just a wild guest, no scholarly records to defend it, Someone or some people let the Horus' story plagiarized into the Jesus story bcoz it will serve more of its purpose. But, the set backs are, Catholics worships the bible too much that they took the stories quite literally. Thrown the idea that this is a story of someone else, they just let you borrow it so that you can learn lessons from it, and not worship it or shove it in other peoples' throat.

Read the full stories. The parallels are loose in each religion’s hero vs. Jesus. Really and truly. And the implications of the other religions simply mean that the god came into the world and did stuff and was killed or put back together or performed miracles. But the implications don’t really mean much. They are simply myth. The implications of Christ mean that YOU can and are called to inherit His Spirit through the physical sign of Baptism and the spiritual transformation through the real outpouring of the Holy Spirit(the Spirit of Truth - Literally, not a power claim but literally The Truth). Jesus told Pontius Pilot, “I’ve come into the world for this one purpose, to testify to the Truth.” Who else said that? And also, if you have read the Gospels and into Acts, you would happen upon the persecution of the early Church, and Gamaliel, a Jewish elder, tells the angry Jewish leaders to send out the Apostles, who they wanted to punish and shut down by force, and he told the Jewish leaders that many had risen and claimed to be somebody, and people followed them, and they fell away once their leader died. So he advised them, if it is the work of men, leave them alone, it will end, but if it is the work of God, they may find themselves battling against God! This is a bold statement which is why I greatly promote everyone learning as much as they can about the Catholic Church so as to destroy it, really and truly. I guarantee that you will be converted if you give it true lasting effort. It is ‘t Something you can just arrive at an answer or rationalization for not following, you must truly refute it at its central points. Is Jesus who He says He is? In this case you have to read Scripture, refer to Church doctrine(which greatly differs from MOST Christian churches...I.e. Catholics don’t believe in a purely literal Adam and Eve but mainly a paradigmatic Adam and Eve with logical lessons and consequences in reference to their relationship with Truth(God)—look up Bishop Barron’s various YouTube talks on Adam and Eve as a unique creation story depicting God not as in competition with creation or evil as compared to the common creation stories of the time such as the Epic of Gilgamesh).

No other place will you find such an edifying and rich intellectual tradition as the Catholic Church. I highly recommend reading A.G. Sertillanges The Intellectual life, and not only will you see a deeply religious man but someone who has a poetically romantic love for Truth and pure knowledge. “All truth is redemptive.” That is a quote from a Catholic priest. Not all things claiming to be truth are true! But all truths are redemptive! Because they all point back to the Ultimate Truth, in and through which all things are interrelated! Peace and blessings, brothers. Keep seeking and don’t trust until you find these redemptive truths!

Also, Catholics believe in something called baptism of desire, which is Scriptural, straight from the lips of St. Paul, and is aligned with conscience, which says that God knows me through and through. So this whole, if you aren’t physically baptized you are going to hell thing is complete rubbish. And, the Spirit of Truth is always around no matter if you are Catholic or Atheist or Hindu. Some people believe that the Holy Spirit isn’t around any more, even some Christians believe this. This is logically ridiculous.

Okay, I’ve said my peace. I’m collecting research for a talk. I’ll post my findings here and compare the common misconceptions with the real stories. It’ll save your heart a lot of stress.

This web page actually covers all of it. Please post all three of my comments so this isn’t just random. All of them are important for earnest Truth seekers.

http://reasonsforjesus.com/zeitgeist-debunked-jesus-is-not-a-copy-of-pagan-gods/

This one on zeitgeist debunked

If you don't post my post sharing the webpage refuting zeitgeist then you are liars and propagating lies. In the instance where you don't post the webpage refuting zeitgeist you also don't believe in the strength of your own argument or else you would let the facts lay where they may.

http://reasonsforjesus.com/zeitgeist-debunked-jesus-is-not-a-copy-of-pagan-gods/

For the sake of intellectual arguments, reasoning and mental exercise, discourse in Jesus Christ story plagiarism is OK. However, not a single person has referred to man as a spirit being, who has a soul and lives in a body. The heart of the matter is spirituality - your perception, and locus standi will definitely change if you see Man as a spirit.

In the end you will know or you won't know the truth.

Many stories in the Holy Bible is copied. Also written about events after they happened hundreds of years later. Wasn't written live when things were happending. The Bible isn't authentic according to Enûma Eliš, the book of the dead, and the copying of stories from other religions. Here's one link to help shed some clarity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0iTCew5JiM

Russo, for all your wailing about Zeitgeist debunked being "repressed"...

I read that page, you're seriously telling me I'm supposed to take a guy's argument, with a littany of spelling errors in modern English, at face value on ancient history?!?

He spelled "crucifixion" as "crucixion"...actually he spelled it both ways in back-to-back sentences (meaning he didn't even so much as verify with bloody spell-check), let alone other properly spelled words that are still obviously incorrect (like "is" instead of "us" etc).

...that cited source is SO solid you can rest your junk on it. Likely all it's good for - I noticed it reading out of curiosity's sake/shits & giggles. They didn't notice it writing about their own religion, area of "professional expertise" &, one would think, a subject material that OUGHT to be considered rather important & of some significance to the author.

If my whimsy noticed, why not their heart-felt research & editing? They can't even proofread but I'm supposed to believe they verified/debunked all this?!?

BIG surprise they assert these other religions "very likely" copied Christianity themselves. Totally NOT written by a fanatic at all~

I think that a lot of you should read the book the Case for Christ. It explains a lot of this stuff very thoroughly rather than on mere hearsay. The author Lee Strobel wasn't a Christian at the time he started questioning the Bible. His wife had become a Christian and because of that he set out to disprove the Bible. He talks to a lot of different professors using his journalistic skills to ask some of the hardest questions. True these professors are usually Christian, but why would you ask an atheist to prove the validity of the Bible? If he has a problem with the Bible like if he thinks it's contradictory, he'll pull out a Bible himself and show it to the professor. You may have reasons for why you don't believe the Bible, but you rarely ever read it. So your answers are usually based on what other people say. I may be a Christian, but I have heard arguments for evolution and even chose to watch a YouTube video about evolution. After watching it there are two major questions that remain unanswered. How do you get from something that's nonliving to something that's living and how do you get from something less complex to something more complex? Sure they may explain how an animal might lose it's legs or how you can get from a wolf to a Chihuahua. But isn't that getting less complex not more? Especially since you can get from a wolf to a Chihuahua, but you can't get from a Chihuahua to a wolf. Or perhaps major changes do occur, but it was already programmed into the genetics. Almost like using a key to unlock a door, but the door didn't make itself.

The old testament is from the tanakh written by jews for jews and for 144,000 ,"chosen ", Noah's ark would at minimum need to be 3.5 times the size of the largest aircraft carrier, if limited to 2 of each species. Which not even titanium could hold structural integrity. Moses lead the jews from Egypt , Abraham was the father of 2 nations Jewish and Muslim. Jesus was a Jew and self proclaimed king of the jews not son of god though he repeated his fathers words ,who awaits him in heaven . Jewish leaders took this and ran with it, embellished as they pleased adding dots to complete their framing of the unorthodox and rebellious teacher. All gospels were written 45 to 220 years after Jesus lived , many altered of completely omitted by Constantine ,other roman emperors and Vatican as well, to aid the empire and church hierarchy.. Then yet again by King James . People love a story, 94 percent of all children believe as their parents do and are indoctrinated ,without reaching a mature age of choice . Parents more often than not controlling the children, with the same tactics used my empirical puppeteers.
Just as planned, excellent...

you guys are id**s, where is the evidence that these things happened to Horus. How do you know if this story wasn't just made up from man?

All religions are simply mythology and made by man. Very interesting reads but nothing to believe is actually true.

I realize this is an old thread , but , if you want to know what stories were truly plagiarized read this web site and keep in mind these stores are thousands of years older than Christianity https://www.samwoolfe.com/2013/04/plagiarism-in-bible.html
If you would like to see where the Bible contradicts itself and shows the true cruelty of a "LOVING GOD" ,
 read this site - https://americanhumanist.org/what-is-humanism/reasons-humanists-reject-bible/ . One thing is undisputed fact , whenever there are 2 or more differing accounts of the same event at least one of them is definitely wrong . The biggest problem with Christianity is the deeply embedded great of door . Any person who can't see the similarities between Jesus and Budda simply REFUSES to accept the obvious . The story of Noah and the story of Utnapistim from the epic of Gilgamesh are virtually the same exact story . Wake up and stop believing just because you were taught to . You can never make a truly informed decision if everything you read starts in the same place . Judaism, Christian, Islam, Catholism,etc. All start with same old testament , look beyond and educate yourself

Religion is a never ending war. He who control the pen controls the “Mind”. Life is a chest game and Religion and Christianity is the biggest part. What the saying, A lie gets all around the world before the “Truth” gets out of bed.” Is’s time to question everything and Think for yourself. I f it doesn’t make sense then Research everything form it’s Beginning to it’s End. Money is power and so is Knowledge. Learning never stops. The s is the time of Aquarius (the little man with the bucket of water) purity and Truth.

"So certain are you?"

I grew up Methodist. From a tiny kid thru high school, I spent almost every Sunday in Sunday School followed by Church services. I lit the candles and sat behind the reverend as he gave his service. Baptized as a baby, went through catechism in my youth, attended Bible school in the summers, read the Bible and studied all the stories, yet even as a kid, I did not believe or accept any aspect of religion. Of course in the 50s and 60s, you'd be crazy to say that you didn't believe in Jesus or God. Back then, not being a Christian was similar to being gay...you would be shunned and belittled if word got out! Only in college did I start to feel comfortable expressing my thoughts about religion and only with close friends. My philosophy is. "Each to their own." I have friends who are very religious and they're always saying how their faith gets them through every day life and that's fine with me. But it's funny how well adjusted, content and happy I am in life with zero interest in any aspect of religion. And I don't need religion to be a good person or good friend to others On those rare occasions where people push their religion on me, I will then ask a few questions. Like how is it that the Jesus story was plagiarized from numerous pagan gods decades or centuries before Jesus lived? How could 600 year old Noah (who lived to be 950) gather two of EVERY animal on earth and put them all on one boat almost 4000 years ago! And how could the entire planet be covered by water? Poppycock! And don't get me going on how old the world is...6000 years old?? Come on! So to me, the choice is "faith in religion" versus the "reality of science and common sense." I get how people desperately want to believe in life after death and they will struggle through life praying, trying to be good and offering their mind, body and soul to Jesus. I’ve chosen to be happy, have fun and enjoy every day while I’m alive! Most of my Christian friends agree that all Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, etc. will go to hell because they have not asked Jesus to save them, and I could never accept that! If there was a God, how could he/she/it be so vindictive and uncaring? “Love me, pray to me and ask me to come into your heart and be forgiven for your sins or…you go to hell.” In ending, our earth would be a much better place for all humans and animals if my made-up God was real!!

This is such crap. I’m guessing because it’s so old? This has been thoroughly debunked.

We aren’t asking people to think rationally, we are asking people to change the lens they grew up in. Many say religion is a hindrance, which I think can be the case, but life is unfair and the very existence of us is frightening. Let people believe whatever will get them through life because none of us deserve to be here. All love, stay healthy.